Marie-Noelle Marquis (00:08):
Welcome to the AIP Summit Podcast, your go-to resource for taking control of your autoimmune health, presented by AIP Certified Coaches. Hi, I'm Marie-Noelle Marquis.
Jaime Hartman (00:18):
And I'm Jaime Hartman. And we're here to equip you with the tools knowledge and support you need to effectively use the Autoimmune Protocol.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (00:25):
And today we're going to the past and looking into the future with a very exciting special guest.
Jaime Hartman (00:39):
In this second episode, we are continuing to build the foundation. We're continuing to expand the context for everything that we are going to be sharing with you throughout the coming episodes of this podcast. Because as you'll hear us say at the beginning of every episode, our goal is to equip you with the tools, knowledge and support you need to effectively use the Autoimmune Protocol. In our first episode, which was titled The ABCs of AIP, we defined some key terminology. We provided the basic details of what the elimination diet component of the AIP actually excludes and how it should be approached as part of the protocol in total. And we talked about who AIP is meant for and also who should be cautious about using it. Now, our guest today is going to be using some of that terminology and is going to be speaking from a perspective that assumes you have that background knowledge. So if you have not yet listened to our first episode, especially if you are new to AIP and have not listened to our first episode, we would suggest you pause this episode and go back and do that now. Alright, if you went away and came back, welcome back. You are now ready for the interview we're going to share with you. But before we get into the meat of that today, Mar Noel, I'd like to take a slight detour, if you don't mind.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (01:59):
I'm very curious. I don't mind. Let's detour away.
Jaime Hartman (02:03):
Awesome. Alright, so we do have plans to do a full episode on our personal stories in the near future, so we'll save most of the details for then. But today I think our listeners might enjoy hearing about how we each decided to become AIP Certified Coaches.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (02:17):
Yeah, that's a great question. So I was actually already working as a nutritional therapy practitioner when I heard about the AIP Certified Coach program. And I was in the middle of building my business, urban AIP. And since the whole business is about offering AIP compliant food, I wanted to make sure that I had all the necessary certification, that I wasn't going to miss any little details. So that just became one of my priority to make sure I got that certification so I could better serve our customers on the food side and better serve my clients on my practice as well. How about you, Jaime?
Jaime Hartman (02:50):
I am actually a member of the class of 2017, which you'll hear our guest today referencing as the very first class. So yay, class pride. At the time, I was still working full-time in the corporate world while I was also blogging on the side and editing a community cookbook with those other bloggers. It was all about 30 minute meals for the AIP. I was also finishing up my nutritional therapy practitioner certification. So I had a lot on my plate, but I knew that I really wanted to focus my practice once I did transition away from my corporate job on helping people with autoimmune disease. So it made sense to me that I needed that new AIP certification really for the credibility. I remember thinking it would be easy because clearly I already knew everything there was to know about AIP since I'd been using it myself, I'd been creating recipes, I'd been blogging about it for almost four years at that point. But I learned quickly that there was a lot I didn't know.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (03:45):
I totally agree, and that's a great point. I had the same thought. I was like, I'm going to do this for credibility and I want to make sure I don't miss anything, but I know everything about AIP and definitely. Nope, I did not.
Jaime Hartman (03:57):
As I've continued to be involved in the training program, I keep learning for anyone who's listening to this podcast who is like us and is a practitioner who thinks like we thought. And I want to challenge that assumption and encourage you to consider becoming an AIP Certified Coach by taking the course. So anyway, without any further ado, I think it's time we introduce our guest and then share the interview we recorded with her with all of you. Maureen, well, would you do the honors of introducing her?
Marie-Noelle Marquis (04:23):
Happy to. So our esteemed guest today is none other than Mickey Trescott. Mickey is a functional nutritionist with a master's in human nutrition and functional medicine. She is the author of three bestselling books on AIP as well as the co-host of the Autoimmune Wellness Podcast. And she is a co-teacher of the AIP Certified Coach practitioner training program. Mickey has truly been a trailblazer in the AIP movement, and she joins us today to share her story and help you better understand the origins of AIP. Give us some actionable tips for implementing AIP and perhaps shine a light on what the future holds for the Autoimmune Protocol.
Jaime Hartman (05:04):
Mickey, welcome. We're so excited to have you here with us today.
Mickey Trescott (05:07):
Hey guys, thanks so much for having me.
Jaime Hartman (05:10):
So we like to start with origin stories. For our listeners who may not know you yet, how did your personal journey with autoimmune disease and with AIP get started?
Mickey Trescott (05:19):
Yeah, so if you're not familiar with my journey, I do have Hashimoto's and Celiac and I've published lots of content related to that. So I'm going to spare everyone the full story. We could be here for literally hours talking about it, but I have talked about it on my podcast, so if anybody wants to go listen to that. And I was diagnosed at 26 and I really didn't have a lot of options. Like probably most of you, when you got an autoimmune diagnosis, you were thinking, what do I do to help myself get better? That led me to AIP, and that led me to actually change my career because I was at a point in my life when I was looking for options of how to have a career and a life that accommodated my now new future with chronic illness. And that's how I got into nutrition and cooking and teaching other people how to cook and writing cookbooks. So that's how I got here today.
Jaime Hartman (06:14):
So speaking of cookbooks, what is the story behind your first cookbook? What was the need that you were responding to when you wrote that?
Mickey Trescott (06:20):
Yeah, so I first wrote The Autoimmune Paleo Cookbook in 2013. It was actually the final project when I was going through a nutritional therapy practitioner program and we had to do a community project for a specific group. At the time, I was in a Facebook group of women with Hashimoto's called Hashimoto's 411. Some of you guys might be familiar. This group has tens of thousands, if not at this point, a hundred thousand people. But at the time, there were just 200, and I was doing AIP myself and I was coming up with these recipes, I was sharing them with the group, and I thought, why don't I just put all of this together and give it to the group as my project? And so that's what I did, and everybody loved it and people said that they wanted to share with other people and that I should really put it for sale.
(07:03):
So I worked it up to a PDF, turned it into an ebook, and then eventually that's what became of the print book that came out a year later that I actually did a whole crowdfunding campaign. And the reason why I tell you guys that whole story is because at that moment, nobody really knew what AIP was, and especially nobody with any authority or power to publish a book. I actually reached out to actual publishers that were very interested in diet and nutrition publishing, and they either wouldn't talk to me or told me that this idea was way too specific and it wouldn't be marketable. But at that time, people that had autoimmune disease were very interested in learning how they could eat and live to get better. And so that's kind of where the first cookbook came from. Sarah Valentine published a book very shortly thereafter, and the AIP movement kind of grew out of that really early roots in different disease specific Facebook groups and other groups where I think patients were just sharing information about what was working for them.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (08:04):
That's fantastic. So your second solo cookbook you publish in 2019 and it's called The Nutrient Dense Kitchen. What were you trying to achieve with that book and how does that book reflect what you learned in the intervening time?
Mickey Trescott (08:19):
Yeah, so in 2013, 2014, kind of the way back of AIP, what we like to call it, we were really focused on eliminations. And I know that anyone who's doing AIP back then, it was all about the foods that you were removing. And it wasn't to say that we weren't adding in nutrient dense foods, and actually we didn't have a lot of allergen-free convenience food options back then. So the cassava flours, the premixed AIP cookies or lots of these things just did not exist. So you had to cook your own food and you had to cook your own treats. And what that meant is that it took a lot of time and energy and expense to do that. So we actually were naturally applying, I think a very nutrient dense AIP. And then in the next five or six years, the options for allergen-free food just really expanded, at least here in the United States.
(09:15):
And I know that that has happened a little bit later in other parts of the world, but now we have a lot of options that are qualify for an elimination diet. They make it a lot easier to just eat a very, I wouldn't say like a nutrient poor AIP, but just a very basic implementation that doesn't maybe include some of those finer points that those of us at the beginning were doing. So things like bone broths and fatty connective tissue rich cuts of meat. A lot of us were really looking for those cheap nourishing cuts at the grocery store. We were cooking whole chickens, colorful fruits and vegetables, fermented foods. Most of us were actually making fermented foods at home. I actually thought that that was the only way to do it. And so I spent a lot of time with a fermentation crock making kombucha, making kefir, water kefir.
(10:10):
And so by 2016, 2017, I think people were buying a lot of different options, and nutrient density was not a focus for some people. And so I wanted to write a book that was still the focus was AIP, but really acknowledged that this is the point that's really expansive. This is the point that increases the nutrient density and expands healing for people because it gives you the extra nutrition that maybe you weren't getting on your previous diet, and that is just as powerful as the things that you remove. So that was kind of the concept behind the nutrient dense kitchen.
Jaime Hartman (10:48):
And in addition to those cookbooks, you've built a lot of other resources to bring AIP to the autoimmune community, including the AIP Certified Coach Practitioner Training Program.
Mickey Trescott (10:59):
So around 2017, this is kind of a big growth period for AIP, I was working as a health coach. A lot of early adopters in the AIP community had gone back to school, had become different types of healthcare providers. Some people were actually healthcare providers before, and they started to transition their careers maybe in nursing or even doctors, started to look into more functional medicine and taking functional medicine courses. So everyone was really interested in how do I integrate all of this lifestyle and diet medicine into helping other people because there were so many people that need help. And really a coach isn't. A healthcare provider is someone who really delivers your healthcare, but a coach is really the bridge between somebody who wants to do a lifestyle change, a diet change, but doesn't really understand how to implement the different steps, the different customization and personalization in a way that is going to make them most successful.
(11:59):
So we saw this opportunity to teach other coaches because of course we could educate the public, and I say we collectively, people who are writing books, writing blogs, working with patients in this AIP space, we just did not have enough time to go around because the public just really needed help and was hungry for this information. So AIP Certified Coaches are healthcare providers from all across the spectrum. So it could be health coach, I would say predominantly health coach, nutrition coaches, functional nutrition. There's lots of different types of certifications under that umbrella. And then there are more traditional providers, both in the natural sense, so like naturopathic, herbalist, acupuncturists, and then also in the traditional conventional medicine like medical doctors and specialists. So anyone can take the course and they can learn all about AIP and they can learn how to integrate it within the work that they already do.
(12:57):
And so for the public, that means that if you're looking for a fitness coach, because we all have bodies, we all need to move them, right? And when you have an autoimmune disease, if you just go to a gym and you hire a personal trainer, they're probably going to have you do something that is not appropriate for you because they might not really understand the needs of an autoimmune body. So we wanted to design something that a fitness coach or a nutritionist or literally a doctor could take, and then learn how to apply that to whoever they're working with. Because as patients ourselves, that's what we wanted. I want a coach, a fitness coach, I want a massage therapist. I want all these providers all the way up to my doctor to understand what I'm doing to manage my health on my own, to respect that, to validate it, and to also integrate that into what kind of services they're offering me.
(13:46):
So AIP Certified Coach came out of that, and it was a big success from the very beginning. I think our first class, we had 150 providers want to take our course before there was even any reviews out of it. So it really meant a lot that they recognized that that was something that they wanted to add to their practices. And then out of that came the directory, which now the public can go and access and match up with someone who is in their area, who is virtual, that has a very specific specialty. They need all of these different things. You can find that through the database. So yeah, that's all about the AIP Certified Coach and how that came to be.
Jaime Hartman (14:31):
And how has it evolved over time? Because clearly we know that it has since 2017 to today, there have been some changes.
Mickey Trescott (14:39):
Yeah. AIP Certified Coach in 2017 was based on the clinical experience of the providers who were early adopters and using AIP in their practices, myself included, for only maybe five or six years. And some of these providers had experience that went beyond that using elimination diets and functional medicine, which was really in line with AIP. But around that time, that's when AIP started to be studied in traditional medical research. The first study came out actually in 2017, and so since then we've had seven published studies come out in different autoimmune conditions. And so AIP went from this theory on the different components of food and the different lifestyle modifications and kind of put all together, we think this is just the best for people based on what we know about all these individual parts, but we don't really know. We haven't studied the whole.
(15:35):
Then the whole was studied. And so AIP Certified Coach shifted to be focused on the results of the research using the entire AIP in populations of actual autoimmune patients. So this includes a group of patients with IBD with Hashimoto's eczema, psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis, and hopefully more. And so now that we have data from real people with autoimmune disease using AIP, the program has shifted into, well, what do you do when you have a client or a patient that has IBD? Well, we actually have a study and we saw what happened to those people so you can work with them as a provider a little bit differently than, for example, Hashimoto's, which we actually have now two studies that are in different lengths of time but in the same population, and we see what those results looked like and the type of symptom management and the type of tweaks that they did.
(16:28):
So now AIP Certified Coach is really drilling down a little bit more into those specifics. And of course, you don't have to have one of those most common or studied autoimmune conditions to see success with AIP. We have plenty of stories online of people with very rare and unusual autoimmune conditions that report their results, but those are the studies that are going to get the funding and find participants most easily just because there's a large volume of people that have them. So you're probably aware that the Autoimmune Protocol has been updated in 2024, and that update came from the AIP Certified Coaches in the community and the researchers who really identified that there was a need for a less restricted version of the elimination phase. And so that comes out of research that's done again in humans with autoimmune disease, seeing how quickly they get results, and then also research in other elimination diet protocols and seeing which foods on the spectrum of going to cause problems for people. There are some foods that are highly problematic for most people with autoimmune disease. And then there are some foods that are eliminated in the original AIP protocol, which we now call Core AIP, that are actually pretty nutrient dense. They're pretty affordable and they only cause problems for some people. So we saw an argument for kind of creating a couple different pathways based on that.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (17:52):
Thank you so much, Mickey. That's fantastic. Now with the time we have remaining, we'd love to tap into your extensive knowledge and experience. So first, let's speak to people listening who are just getting started with AIP or they're still thinking about maybe doing AIP, maybe going for it. What tips would you like to give those people so that they would avoid some of the common mistakes we see people make with AIP?
Mickey Trescott (18:17):
Yeah, I love this because really now it's been, I don't know, almost 12, 13 years from the beginning. So we've definitely learned a lot to make it easier for anyone who is starting this right now. So if you're starting right now, just know that you do not have to transition to AIP overnight. I think most of us who did it in the way back, we learned about it and we're like, I'm doing this tomorrow, and that causes an extreme amount of stress. So I would definitely look into some transition resources, think about your lifestyle, the way that you currently cook and eat and your budget, and really do an analysis of how hard is it going to be to implement whatever protocol you choose, whether that be core or modified AIP, and really give yourself a realistic amount of time to transition. For some people, it might look like starting to cook from scratch at all.
(19:10):
Some people don't really know how to cook. And as somebody who I've spent a lot of time teaching cooking classes, I've taught people who actually say they know how to cook quite well, and then I see that they don't even know the basics of chopping an onion or sauteing something. They don't know what medium heat means when they put the pan on the stove. And this isn't to shame anyone for not knowing those things. It just means that maybe start with some YouTube videos on just cooking basics and don't even worry about AIP or transitioning until you kind of have that started until you know that your kitchen is set up, you have a sharp knife, your cutting board is big enough, you know how to have all the tools you need to prep, and this doesn't mean you need to go buy them most of the time.
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It just means you need to reorganize. You might need to clean some things. You might need to just set up your kitchen and do some basic maintenance on the things that you need because you don't actually need anything expensive or complicated to cook from scratch. So transition, I really would encourage you to just think about making that transition in a way that is slow and sustainable. It could take a few weeks for somebody who is motivated and puts together a plan for themselves, could take a few months for someone who really doesn't know how to cook, who really doesn't understand how to source gluten-free ingredients and allergen-free ingredients and things like that. The other thing I would say is that you have more options now with Core and Modified AIP. So spend some time really thinking about which elimination is right for you. I will say that Modified AIP is probably right for most people, and it's because it is more affordable, it's more accessible, the ingredients are easier to cook.
(20:49):
There's just going to be a lot less barriers to being successful in the elimination, and it works just about as well. And we know this from clinical experience, from the AIP Certified Coaches reporting. We've been teaching modifying AIP since the very beginning of the program, and our coaches report that they see very similar results that when people do the original AIP and so original AIP in contrast is appropriate for people who are very motivated, have some time, have finances, have the ability to cook. And sometimes this might happen if you have a partner or a spouse who is willing to cook for you and help you. This might happen if you are on disability and you're not currently working, you have a lot of time. And that also includes the ability to actually make the food. So there are some people who are just still set up to do that hard protocol, but that's actually the minority of people.
(21:48):
I would say most people should actually start with Modified AIP. And then the third thing that I would say is just to look for a opportunities to adapt and modify, even if you are already selecting a modified protocol. So AIP is just a template and it's something that you use to work through discovering what works for your body. And so it doesn't have to look like anybody else who may even share the same autoimmune disease or be your family member, your friend, or even what your doctor tells you their other patient did. This is your process and you get to decide what you do. So just make sure that if you see an opportunity to adapt and you think that that is going to work for you, then by all means go ahead and adapt and modify and personalize. And then lastly, AIP is not a diet.
(22:38):
It's not something you do forever. So I want everyone to think about it as something that they go through and something that on the other side, you end up with knowledge and experience that helps you make informed choices going forward about your lifestyle with autoimmune disease. And you can make a choice to do something that isn't going to make you feel great because it's not about perfection. It's not about maintaining this perfect strict elimination diet for the rest of your life. That has actually never been the case with AIP, but I think we all got very excited about the success we saw in the very early phases of those eliminations. And so now we know that actually the expansion, how much joy that can bring to your life, having that information, even if you use that information to do something that's maybe not going to make you feel that great, just as climbing a huge mountain that is going to make you really sore, you're going to get to the top of that mountain, you're going to get a beautiful photo, you're going to have a beautiful memory, but your legs are going to hurt, right?
(23:37):
It's not going to be easy. And so sometimes we make those choices. I'm on vacation and I really want to enjoy a little bit of X, Y, Z. And of course there are some of those items that for me will be off limits forever. And I know that I'm just not interested in it, but there are other things that I don't feel great when I eat them, but I'm in this place and I want to have this experience. And so that's really what you should expect and want when you go through the process, not this perfection and this restriction forever.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (24:07):
Let's say someone decides to start with a Modified AIP, and then after certain times they're not seeing the symptom improvement as much as they'd like. Would you recommend them to maybe transition into a core and see if that makes a difference and is if so, is there a timeframe?
Mickey Trescott (24:22):
So we usually recommend 30 to 90 days in the elimination phase. And I would say make sure to pay attention to tracking. A lot of people don't track diligently, and you might notice that after looking at your detailed records at the end of two or three months, you might actually see a lot of changes. And in things like fatigue are really nebulous, they're kind of hard day to day to tell, well, I'm not as tired. So those things I recommend that people track on a one to 10 scale so that you can see, well, maybe your baseline was five and now you're at a seven. So actually you did see some improvement. So I would say that about just tracking can help you see improvement when otherwise you have an autoimmune disease that doesn't have very concrete symptoms. So I have Hashimoto, so I'm very experienced in this.
(25:13):
My symptoms are fatigue, they're joint pain, they're not things that I can actually see and assess. Another thing that I would say is, yes, you can go and do a more restricted protocol, but I actually think that it would be a good idea to hire a coach at that point. If you're somebody that's done modified AIP, you don't really notice any changes just because there are some things that you could be overlooking in terms of nutrient density, you could be under overlooking some other medical or healthcare need that you could bring in that is actually not about the foods because what we know about those foods that are in modified AIP, those are usually not major inflammatory food triggers. And so I like to think of what am I missing in terms of my healthcare needs, my nutrient needs, and bring in some other providers instead of just go, well, I'm just going to do a stricter thing. And of course that could be an option, and that might be that you are the person that actually has a sensitivity to legumes that is making you not see progress. But I think most people are actually going to benefit from more curiosity and more troubleshooting at that point than just going to the stricter protocol.
Jaime Hartman (26:30):
So more curiosity rather than more restriction. To conclude our conversation today, we would like to start looking forward. Mickey, what do you see or hope to see in the future for AIP?
Mickey Trescott (26:48):
Yeah, I love this question because I'm so excited about AIP. Like I said in the very beginning in 2013 when this all started, everyone was like, this is so specific, it's not going to go anywhere. It's way too restricted. And now we're getting a lot of buy-in from healthcare providers. I hear from so many people, I heard about this from my doctor and I'm asking, oh, maybe their doctor is an AIP Certified Coach. And it's like, no, it's just some random gastroenterologist at the local clinic. So more of that. I really think as patients, and that's all of you, talk to your doctors. I know that a lot of you are very frustrated because they say, I've talked to my doctor about this and they told me I'm crazy, or they told me that doesn't work. But some of them do listen and some of them do retain that information.
(27:35):
And then when they have another patient that says, Hey, what can I do for my ra? They say, well, I've heard from a couple patients that they did this elimination diet called AIP. Maybe you could look into it. That all helps build and share and spread the information about AIP and validates it with healthcare providers. And of course the medical studies. I'm really, really excited about the potential of the medical studies just because they really do show that in specific autoimmune conditions, some of these results that we have seen in our clinics and anecdotally and stories that people have shared online, this is a real thing. This is not just one person saying that they were healed. This is tens of thousands of people who are sharing this information that now we have this quantifiable medical research, which is actually really validating what we've kind of known from the beginning, which is that AIP is a process that people can use to figure out their food and their lifestyle triggers and how to live well with autoimmune disease.
(28:35):
It doesn't always cure. And you guys, this is a podcast, so you can't see my air quotes, but I hate that word with autoimmune disease. I don't like the word remission, although there are some autoimmune diseases where clinical remission is a word that we use, but it means that it is something that can help us live better. And for some people that means that they don't need medication. For some people, that means they need less medication. Or for some people that means that with their very skillfully prescribed medication, they don't have symptoms, whereas before they were unable to reach a healthy state even despite all of the best medications. And so you never really know how that's going to work out for you. But AIP is just a tool in that toolbox. And I think going forward, I'm hoping that the medical community and the public both start to see AIP as this valuable tool and less of an extreme diet that is just a fad or a cure.
(29:32):
And I think the medical studies really show that it is here to stay. And so at this point, we have seven published studies. We have two on the wave that are in peer review, and as far as I know, there are a few in the works, one of which I am involved with and a couple that I'm aware of. And so I'm hoping that the research front continues to grow, and if you are somebody who can help enable that in any way through being a researcher yourself, being connected to research team funding, anything, please get in touch with me because I would love to connect you with who I know and continue to enable that. I really think the research is the next wave.
Jaime Hartman (30:17):
So Mickey, for our listeners, where can they find you if they want to learn more about what you do?
Mickey Trescott (30:22):
So I am most active on Instagram @mickeytrescott, and you can also find the Autoimmune Wellness AIP archives at autoimmunewellness.com. And I say archive because I'm not putting out any new content that is not like an update. This year, there was a big update to the Autoimmune Protocol that included Modified AIP, so I did a couple blog posts there, but generally that site is just for recipes, articles, resources. There's tons of AIP resources there like meal plans and getting started guides, and that will always be up there for the public to use. And so you guys can use that whether you are just starting core or modified AIP or somebody who is send them our way and come check out Instagram for some cooking videos and recipes.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (31:12):
I feel like that is such a great value. I refer a lot of my clients to the Autoimmune Wellness website. There's such a wealth of information and when you get started, and just also the whole section about patients sharing their stories is so powerful. People, I think that when you first are introduced, you first get your diagnosis, that feeling of being alone, your friend, your family, people might not understand. So I think it's so powerful to be able to read those stories and be like, oh, okay, wow. There's possibilities. And so that's so valuable. Thank you for creating that.
Mickey Trescott (31:49):
Oh yeah, thank you for bringing that up. And I forgot to mention, there are a lot of little Easter eggs in that site and the stories of recovery series, if you go in the dropdown on the blog, there's a little header people can click on. There are dozens of stories of people, just regular people, not clients that just wrote in and said, I want to share my story with X, Y, Z. Often multiple autoimmune conditions, rare autoimmune conditions, some non autoimmune conditions, and you can see in very, very specific detail what people did in addition to AIP, to heal and learn how to manage their autoimmune conditions. And yeah, that is a great resource for anyone who is needing inspiration.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (32:34):
Thank you so much, Mickey, for joining us today. This was fantastic and I'm sure our listeners are going to be thrilled.
Mickey Trescott (32:42):
Yeah. Thank you guys so much for having me. Thank you for doing this podcast. I'm really excited that you guys are sharing the wealth of knowledge from AIP Certified Coaches. I have personally trained every AIP Certified Coach who has come through the program this far, and I know what a wealth of expertise and different specialties we have. So it's really awesome that you guys are creating a platform to share all of that information for the public so that everyone can benefit from it.
Jaime Hartman (33:16):
Wasn't that awesome? She's great.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (33:18):
She's fantastic. There's something that I find it just gives me strength to hear other people's stories as they move through their, their autoimmune disease and the power of diet and lifestyle to address it.
Jaime Hartman (33:35):
It's so nice to get back to basics sometimes and reflect. On the one hand, it feels like we've, this has been going on for so long, but yet really, it's still such a short amount of time, but look at how far we've come. All the research that's come out really interesting. She was talking about how when she wrote her first book, she didn't even really think of needing to tell people to eat with nutrient density because it just happened naturally because we didn't have other options. We didn't even have, I remember, I'm an old timer enough to remember when cassava flour was a thing we all became aware of and we're like, woo, this new flour that you can use, which is great. Don't get me wrong. I'm really glad we have cassava flour now. But yeah, if you were to start doing lots of things with cassava flour, you could pretty quickly start having a pretty nutrient less nutrient dense diet anyway, as just one example. So I thought that was a really good reminder that we're just circling back to where it would be naturally.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (34:31):
One thing that excites me a lot that I love about this too is the community aspect. This is an air quote movement, but this is something that is built by a community of people dealing with our immunity, wanting to get better, and just that drive we're all personally so determined to get better and together as a community, bringing that awareness of AIP to the practitioners bringing them in. It is a community effort. Here's the research. We participated in this, and I find that whole phenomenon very, very empowering, very exciting. I love also that Mickey mentioned again that AIP is a protocol, multiple branches in multiple ways. It can be approached in order to achieve the best results for you to not forget that is a complete system and not only the dietary portion. So remember that we are here to guide you through this process, and we are here to bring you resources so that while you can do AIP on your own, you don't have to do it alone.
Jaime Hartman (35:34):
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