Jaime Hartman (00:07):
Welcome to the AIP Summit Podcast, your go-to resource for taking control of your autoimmune health, presented by AIP Certified Coaches. Hi, I'm Jaime Hartman.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (00:18):
And I'm Marie-Noelle Maquis. And we're here to equip you with the tools knowledge and support you need to effectively use the autoimmune protocol.
Jaime Hartman (00:26):
And today we are answering some of your questions about AIP
Marie-Noelle Marquis (00:40):
Listeners, today we are answering questions about AIP, since we're both working as AIP Certified Coaches for quite some time now. We have a pretty good idea of the questions that are most frequently asked. So we're going to be starting there, but we do plan to have more episodes like this in the future and welcome your questions.
Jaime Hartman (00:57):
You can find a link in the show notes for those questions, or you can send questions to us as a direct message on Instagram or if you happen to be a member of the AIP Summit Community, you can send them to us there. And as a reminder, we can't provide medical advice and we might not be able to answer really specific questions, especially if they're about a medical condition, but we can provide general information and clarification or even myth busting about the autoimmune protocol today. Mar Noel is going to be asking the questions. I'll provide my answer, then we'll see if she wants to add anything. And then the next time we do a q and a episode like this, we'll flip that around. So let's get started Marie-Noelle. What question should we tackle first?
Marie-Noelle Marquis (01:39):
Okay, so one of the first question I think people are often wondering right now that we've implemented some changes to the AIP protocol is, should I start with the original version of AIP the core elimination or the new modified AIP?
Jaime Hartman (01:56):
For anybody who doesn't know what we're talking about when it comes to this idea of a modified AIPI would suggest they go back and listen to our first episode, the ABCs of AIP. And in that episode show notes, there's a link to a really good article that goes over all the details. So to save time, we won't go over the ins and outs of what the differences are between those two right now. But I would say that for the vast majority of people, the modified AIP is a good place to start. The truth though is that where you start is not actually that critically important because AIP is really a lot more about the destination. It's a lot more about where you're going to end up once you have gone through the process of elimination and reintroduction and figured out what your personalized best diet is.
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So if you start with the modified AIP, some of the positives, some of the pros for that is that well, it's less restrictive. It gives you more options. One other positive out of the more options is that it may be a little bit more budget friendly. So if that's a big concern for you, you can include some things that might help you stretch your dollar a little bit more. A lot of people find that modified AIP is more allows 'em to keep some of their favorite or culturally important foods in their diet. So that can be another reason to consider that. And we really do have a lot of evidence that modified AIP can be a perfectly appropriate starting place be just as effective as the core AIP starting place. So if you're just getting started, if you're just learning that and you're wondering whether you should do the core AIP, which is what the original AIP was, so if you're looking at any resources from before this year, before 2024, they're not going to say Core AIP, they'll just say AIP. But if you want to use those resources, that's fine. You can just follow those. There's some really fantastic cookbooks from years back that lay out that if you wanted to just kind of follow that a meal plan, a cookbook, get some resources there, that's a great way to start. But it also may be helpful to look at modified AIP as well as an option for you to be a little bit more expansive
Marie-Noelle Marquis (04:10):
Is AIP compatible with medications or other treatments?
Jaime Hartman (04:14):
Absolutely, yes. We hear this question a lot. That's why we put this near the top of the list because a lot of people start AIP and are perhaps under the misconception that it is an alternative to medication. And that's really not the right way to think about what AIP is. AIP is meant to go alongside other treatments. It's meant to be a part of your treatment plan. So whether that treatment that we're talking about is some kind of a medication that is prescribed a pharmaceutical or it's some other part of your treatment that is meant to work alongside it. One thing that I think people should be aware of is that the medical studies that have been done so far on AIP in all of those cases, the people that were participating in those studies getting treatment for their autoimmune disease, that might've meant medication, it might not, but they were working with a doctor and so they were advised to not make any changes to their medication while they went through the study because we wanted to see what did AIP do without changing their medication.
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Because the goal was not for them to go off their medication or start medication or whatever it was, it was to help them improve their symptoms, get better management of their disease so that they could have a higher quality of life. So AIP is absolutely compatible with other treatments. It is a good idea though, to talk to your doctor before you would AIP. In fact, it's always a good idea to talk to your doctor if you have a health condition about anything you're trying to do in order to manage that health condition to make sure there aren't any contraindications for you. AIP is safe, widely known to be safe. It's a healthy way of eating, but if you have some other medical conditions that need to be addressed, maybe there's a medication you're taking that might need to have the levels adjusted if your diet is changed and your lifestyle changes. But it is something that your doctor should be on board with regardless because you're just looking to eat a healthier way. You're looking to improve your overall health. And so doctors, while they may not come right out and say, do AIP at this point, we're working on that, but they should be able to help you navigate the combination with medication And AIP
Marie-Noelle Marquis (06:54):
Another question that we get often is, can I combine the AIP diet with other protocols, things like low FODMAP or low histamine, for example.
Jaime Hartman (07:07):
The question about combining AIP with another protocol is a really important one because what happens when you combine AIP, at least the elimination phase of AIP and something else that says avoid some foods. You end up avoiding even more foods. You end up with a list of foods that you are able to eat that gets pretty narrow. And so anytime we think about combining AIP with some other need to avoid foods, we want to be very, very, very careful. This is one of these questions that doesn't have a blanket yes or no answer though because there could be a really good valid medical reason to combine AIP with something else that you have to address. Obviously if you're allergic to something, you've got to avoid the food you're allergic to. Plus the things on AIP kind of a difficult path to go down and one that has a lot of potential pitfalls in it.
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If you start just taking lists of foods, don't eat this, don't eat this, don't eat this, don't eat this, and end up with a small list of foods that you get to eat. So whenever I'm working with somebody who has any kind of need to be on a low FODMAP protocol or a low histamine protocol or anything else, where they need to avoid foods is for us to address whether that is medically necessary. First of all, if it is medically necessary, then we look at, well, let's make sure we're really being diligent about how you're going to get all of your nutritional needs met from the foods that you can eat. But I'm also going to be pushing them to investigate what it is that's underneath this. So if you are eating low fodmap, that's so common these days. People are familiar with it. But just to give a really quick definition, the F in FODMAP stands for fermentable, and then all those other letters are not necessary to define right now.
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But remember, that's why these foods give you a digestive upset. They're fermentable. And so if they are going into your system and they're fermenting somewhere in your digestive tract in a way that's causing you discomfort or problems with your bowel movements or excess gas or whatever the case is, we need to be looking at why is that happening and try to address that rather than just saying, okay, well then I just won't eat those foods that are fermentable because that fermentation is not enough of itself a bad thing. In fact, it's telling us that that type of carbohydrate is actually food for your microbiome. And so if it's just doing it in the wrong place or it's not moving fast enough to be cleared out, that's something deeper is going on. So if I'm working with somebody who's having problems with certain FODMAP rich foods, what I really would like them to be doing is getting some treatment for that.
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So that might mean that they need to be working with a doctor to get some treatment for what's called sibo, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, or perhaps there's a motility issue where they're having a very slow movement of food through their digestive tract. There could be a structural issue as well that could be something that we can address with diet and that they are going to need to be working with a highly specialized doctor to deal with. Low histamine is similar too. When people are having problems with foods that are really high in histamines that are histamine rich, there's something else going on and AIP is not going to solve that, and a low histamine diet is not going to solve it. It might help you feel better and get through the day, but it's not getting to the root of what's going on. So just to wrap that all up, that's a question that the first two you asked were really good ones. They're all really good questions, but those first two, I could give you a pretty clear answer of where people should start yes or no, but in this case it's proceed with caution, I think is the answer I would say. Do you want to add anything to that?
Marie-Noelle Marquis (11:13):
Yeah, I agree. And I think it's such a reminder too of the healing part. You're not doing AIP, it's not a diet for life. It's bring it back. What we've been saying for multiple episodes now of it's sure some foods you can temporarily avoid, but the healing you have to bring in the food that heals the mission is a healing process. It's a healing journey. So instead of having that idea of like, okay, I'm going to do a restricted AIP plus A, and then oh, I have the three perfect food that I can eat for the rest of my life, and then that's just a cascade effect down to nutrient deficiencies and you're not actually not creating optimal health. So I think that's a great reminder of thinking about, I think we hear the word diet and it's culturally associated with depriving yourself. And diet just means food, right? It's just eating. It's dietary. So if you are in a position where you need, if it's like you mentioned like a SIBO, and you need these potential temporary extra limitation, really actively working at healing those that root cause, and really if you're addressing the sibo, that's going to help address the balancing your autoimmune symptoms faster as well. So it's all really important to remember that positive healing aspect.
Jaime Hartman (12:41):
Yeah, absolutely.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (12:44):
Next question. If I do a slow transition, what is the first thing that I should cut out? Is there a particular order that you would recommend?
Jaime Hartman (12:55):
Oh, another fantastic question and another question that I'm afraid my answer may not be super satisfying because it really depends. It's really personal, and maybe that is a satisfying question because it tells any of our listeners who are in this phase and they're contemplating transitioning that there's no wrong way to do it. The right way is the right way for you, the way that's going to work for you to allow you to get to the point where you can then adhere to the elimination phase for a long enough period of time that you'll be able to then eventually reintroduce foods. Keep in mind that whole path is where you want to go. You're setting yourself up for success and you don't have to jump into it overnight. The slow transition is what we generally recommend for most people. There are exceptions of course, where people are ready to go, but even if you're doing a really rapid transition, you still need a couple days at least to get yourself set up for it.
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So think of it always as just maybe instead of thinking slow or rapid transitions, think of it as what do I need to do to get successful here to plan out my path to successfully starting the elimination phase? So a lot of times when people do the slow transition and they're cutting out one food group at a time, the thing that would make sense is to pick the stuff that is going to give them the most bang for their buck. So for a lot of people that might be cutting out gluten to start with because that's something that we know pretty well is going to give some benefit to everybody with an autoimmune disease or almost everybody with an autoimmune disease. So it might be the place that starts for you, but another way to think about it is that it might just make sense for you to pick whatever you feel would be the hardest thing so that you can get practice with eliminating or avoiding that really hard thing before you're all the way into the elimination phase.
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So for example, if you're thinking the hardest thing for you is going to be your after dinner chocolate and ice cream snack that you like to have with your kids or something like that. So you start to think about, okay, well if I can't have what I had been having with the kids after dinner or after school or their snack or whatever it was that had that important experience for me, how do I address that? Maybe it's me figuring out some other snack or treat that we can have at the same time that we can share. Or if it's perhaps you're thinking that cutting out alcohol might be the hardest part, maybe you work on that first so you can address that transition however you want and you can think of it however you want. I've worked with clients and I don't know, maybe you can weigh in on this too, but I've worked with clients for whom it wasn't necessarily about cutting out certain foods, but it was about figuring out how they're going to shift the way that they eat more broadly. They maybe are eating a lot of takeout food. And so that's the biggest hurdle is not necessarily doing AIP, but figuring out how am I going to get my meals to myself that aren't takeout meals. So changing routines, changing habits, learning some new skills, investigating resources that are available, looking for ways that they can get their meals maybe made for them and delivered and trying stuff out. That might be the way you do your transition phase.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (16:15):
And I've also had people that are doing the opposite as far as, okay, I'm going to start with the easy stuff, the easier, right? So okay, I got this one out of the way, this one out of the way. And then mentally preparing for like, okay, it's going to be the ice cream at some point. But
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I guess the first time with a client we swapped that was they just couldn't get past this specific food that they wouldn't give up. So it was like, well, what if you start giving up? Often the thing that you're holding on to dearly is usually the thing that you actually need to, that's the key, but it's okay. The goal is to set yourself up to success, like you said. So there is not one way of doing it. It's completely individual to you. And just taking the time to recognize how you'll be kind to yourself, how you can partner with yourself on this journey to be as successful as possible.
Jaime Hartman (17:15):
That's a great phrase. Partner with yourself. So if you're thinking this through, what would a good partner do for you? A partner would challenge you and also give you something that it knew that you could accomplish. And so that's a great way to think about it. Maybe it's identifying what are the hardest things and so you have some ownership over them and deciding for yourself, I'm going to do them first or I'm going to do them later. And also identifying some stuff that's going to be easy wins because they're worth it. They're worth jumping in right away. Maybe there's something you look at and you're like, well, I almost never eat that anyway, so let me just experiment with cutting that out entirely and see how that goes. And then add another thing.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (17:57):
Yeah, I think it's important to not be our own punisher. Yeah,
Jaime Hartman (18:02):
Yeah.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (18:05):
Okay, next question. Can food sensitivity tests replace the need for the elimination and the reintroduction phases?
Jaime Hartman (18:15):
Food sensitivity tests can have some validity. They can help you determine where there's something that you weren't able to figure out through the process of elimination reintroduction perhaps. But the thing with food sensitivity tests, there's several things, but one of the things is that they don't ever measure all of the ways that your body can respond to a food. So you might pass the food sensitivity test. I put that in air quotes there, telling you that the food is fine for you, but that might still mean that it's not going to work for you because there's something else that's happening that isn't picked up by those food sensitivity tests. It can also, they are prone to doing some false positives as well, so you can have a result of food sensitivity tests. That report comes back and there are things that it says not to eat that actually it's just a quirk of how your body is expressing itself.
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And actually it's fine. And then the other thing to consider too is that our bodies are always changing. And so a food sensitivity test, even if every result in it was valid, let's say it didn't have any false positives and it didn't miss anything, it's really only seeing how your body is reacting to those substances at the time that the test was done. So if you are down the road with some more healing several weeks, months, even years down the road, and you look back at that food sensitivity test, it is no longer really going to tell you anything about what you need to know. Your body has changed over time. I don't want to say that I would never take any consideration of them. We know we have colleagues who use them in their practices and I think use them wisely. But I can say that in my practice, I've seen a lot of people come in who've done these tests from other people from other places or on their own.
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You can order them on your own too. And the reports that they get are really not helping them figure out what to do. I've just seen this so many times I've seen somebody come in with that report and they're like, I'm trying my best to avoid all this stuff. I'm not feeling any better. And I'm like, if you could take a food necessary test and it really did lead to you feeling better, I'd say go for it. But more often than not, I see that they are not actually leading people in the right direction at all. And so I will always encourage somebody if they're thinking about taking one to wait, so when somebody starts to work with me at the beginning and they haven't had a food sensory test, but maybe they've heard about one or some other practitioners recommended it, I say, let's try elimination and reintroduction first, see how you feel.
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And then if you're still stuck, if something just doesn't seem to be kind of getting clear in your mind and your body and you can't tell, then it could play a role to help you discern those things. But if you do it in the other order and you get this food sensory test back and it has a list of foods to avoid, and some of them might be false positives, what it's done is it has sort of stolen your own intuition from you. You have the wisdom within you, you don't need that piece of paper, and now you're questioning like, well, I don't even know if it's valid. And so you've got so many mixed messages. I think it's best to stick with something that is tried and true and really an elimination and reintroduction protocol is the gold standard for figuring out which foods are working for you. We know that your body changes that in of itself means a food sensitivity test is going to have some limited usefulness. Do you have similar experiences or any different experiences?
Marie-Noelle Marquis (21:51):
Yeah, I agree. What you just said too, you end up questioning and what I find is that people end up questioning themselves, not so much the test. Right? I think I agree with you. One thing, a lot of time people will come to us and very often they'll have what we call leaky gut. And while I'll try to explain people is like when you do the food sensitive test, I mean everything is going to light up. If your gut is leaky and your body's inflaming, you've got systemic inflammation. So then you show up and it's like, I can't eat any fruits, any carrots, any veggies. So that can be so overwhelming. And then again, I've had people be like, okay, I'm going to do AIP minus all of these foods, and it's just so overwhelming and I don't think that it is accomplishing anything in that moment.
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I have used some, I would say specific labs and I've used food sensitivity tests. I think a lot of people are like, it's a popular thing and people want to know, but as you've mentioned, I'll do the same thing. It's like, okay, first let's do the AIP elimination phase. Let's really focus on healing your gut lining so that when you do do a test, you're not dealing with the leaky gut part. So then we can actually narrow down what is your body reacting to? And also mentioning exactly what you just said, that is a picture of right now it's going to change. Were you stressed out more today of the last few days? Stress will make you gut leaky. And that's just a normal process. It's not a bad thing, it's just we're supposed to be hyperpermeable and normal. I would say there's a specific, I use a functional immunology lab and I call Cyrex is what I use with my clients.
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And I've used mainly more like a gluten sensitivity. I've had people be like, am I really though? And sometimes seeing that you do have the antibodies for this is helpful, but sort of past that or maybe some key cross reactivity, like if you're reacting, your body's also tagging milk protein. But when it comes to the 180 list of food, I definitely either skip it or will do it later in the process. And I do think that a lot of the ones that you can order yourself are very vague. I've always, I've tested, I've always tried things on myself before I even recommend them. And I actually did one with my father who's deadly allergic to fish, and we both sent our samples at the same time and I got my test back saying I was deadly allergic to fish and that he was fine. And we're like, I think we got the mixed up. And they're like, no, no, no, this is the right person. And I'm like, well, I know that. So it really depends on the lab and it's hard to, there's so many out there that again, without that third party testing that just hard to make sure you can trust it.
Jaime Hartman (24:56):
So to wrap that all up, I think what you're hearing from both of us is maybe it can be helpful and there are cases where it can be, but to really get to the point of saying it could replace elimination and reintroduction, we're going to say no, but it's something that could be used in conjunction with that. But we really need to do the gold standard, eliminate, reintroduce
Marie-Noelle Marquis (25:22):
And gaining that knowledge, honoring your instinct. It's so much more powerful than that piece of paper because you have that for the rest of your life and it's really empowering. Next question, how long should I stay on the elimination phase? If I make a mistake, do I have to start all over again?
Jaime Hartman (25:43):
Yeah, this is one of my big points I want to champion to people that there's no starting over. A lot of people hear that and they don't quite know what to make of the idea of starting over. Sometimes I've worked with people who've done a Whole 30 and Whole 30 is really clear about for 30 days you do this and if you screw up, you have to start over your 30 days. But they're getting at a lifestyle change, not a elimination in and reintroduction program like we are. So there's no starting over in AIP. It's just carrying forward. So how long do you need to stay in the elimination phase? I know we talked about this in our first episode, the ABCs of AIP, so you could go back and review that again, but what we're always going to say is at least 30 days and maybe longer, probably longer.
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Most people I think feel like after 30 days they kind of got their legs under them. They hopefully are starting to see some improvements and they feel pretty good about going a little bit further, a little bit longer before they're ready for eliminations, which is totally fine. But if you get to 90 days and you still aren't feeling like you are ready to do some reintroductions because you still don't see that symptom improvement, you want to be getting some support because it should be happening by then. So it's a squishy answer I know. And people like just definitive things. So the one definitive thing I will say is when you start the elimination phase count on 30 days, if you want to count days count 30 days because that gives you your brain something to focus on. But if you make a mistake somewhere in those 30 days, you don't need to think about starting over.
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Your body doesn't just go back to zero. It doesn't work that way. It has some resiliency built in. So I think the best way to approach that is to think, I'm going to do my best to do 30 straight days without any mistakes. I'm certainly going to try, but I'm going to recognize when a mistake does happen because it probably will, and maybe it'll just be a little minor one, but something will probably, there'll be a hiccup along the way that it doesn't mean anything dire. You don't have to start your 30 days all over again. You're going to carry on. You're going to see how you feel, and your whole goal is to get to the point where you've got that measurable symptom improvement that allows you to feel like you can tell how things are going to work with you when you start to reintroduce. I hope that helps answer that question. I know people always want to get an exact number, and there isn't really a good way to say exactly a number there.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (28:15):
Agree. If I keep my diet diverse enough, what would be the downside of staying on core elimination forever?
Jaime Hartman (28:24):
I think if you ask any AIP Certified Coach this question or anybody who's done AIP and worked on it for a while, they'll have a different answer. What the downside is, there are a lot of potential downsides, for me personally one of the downsides is that it's going to preclude you from eating foods that you could be eating, which could keep you from some joy. It could keep you from some freedom. Think about how hard it is to travel when you are eating in the core elimination phase. And while that might be something that you can do, it is something you can do for a period of time. We can work around it. But if you don't need to eat that way forever, then you're going to make it harder for yourself to live the life that you deserve to live. That's my main reason. I mean, I don't think I have to go any further. There are other reasons, and I'll see if you have some other ones, but that's enough for me, is that you're going to avoid foods that you don't need to avoid. For what reason? If you just keep avoiding them forever though, you don't really ever know if you needed to avoid that particular food or not. So doing reintroductions is about getting that knowledge, which then allows you to have that freedom in the future. What about you? What do you think?
Marie-Noelle Marquis (29:45):
Yeah, I think those are very, very strong valid points. I get that question a lot in my practice as well. And I really encourage just diversity. And yes, you can get a very diverse, you can eat all the vegetables and all except the nitrate, let's say, right? And all the fruits and all that. But we've evolved with, there's a difference between the original harvested grains and bleach flour, right? So there's benefit to some of the heir loom grains and the legumes, and that's good food for your microbiome. And I think, I don't, like you said something in the previous episode about legal and illegal foods. So I don't like this thought of food can be evil. So to me, it's definitely the freedom. And then there's
Jaime Hartman (30:50):
A benefit our ancestors have. Yes, you can go paleo, paleo style, but in part of our evolution, there's been farmers too. So I just encourage that extra nutrients. I think it's just overall beneficial for your body. And if you don't need to limit yourself, then yeah,
Marie-Noelle Marquis (31:11):
Why do it?
Jaime Hartman (31:14):
All right, I say we have time for maybe one more question.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (31:18):
Okay, let's see. All right. How about this? After reintroducing foods, is it a good idea to do an AIP reset periodically?
Jaime Hartman (31:28):
I say no. I say that you shouldn't be thinking about AIP is something that you could reset to because AIP is the entire journey. I know that's just terminology, and some people might disagree about that, but I think that's an important shift in the way that we think about what AIP is. AIP is not the elimination phase. It is the whole thing. It is elimination, reintroduction, long-term maintenance. It is lifestyle is all of that. So if you're thinking this way, and I know a lot of people do think that the way, that's why this question is in here that like, oh, I should just go back to the starting point periodically after reintroductions and sort of reset or detox. That's not the way we should be thinking about AIP. So I don't think it's a good idea because I don't think that it's a wise way to structure your life.
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You should always be looking forward and you should be looking at what way of eating serves me right now the best. Now, that does not preclude the reality that there will be times when you'll go, wow, I'm not feeling great. Why are you not feeling great? I don't know. But it may have something to do with your diet and it might help to take a period of time where you kind really address what you're eating and maybe you pull back the template of what you're eating somewhat closer to what the elimination phase looked like, and then start to expand it again. When you're feeling better, that's totally fine, because that's real life. You get, there's a lot of stress. You're going through a time period when you're not sleeping very well and you recognize that just having a diet that's a little bit more rooted to the basics, a little bit less of the extras might be a better situation for you.
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Or you start to think you're reacting to something and you need to kind of rein it back in. Those are fine too, but you're always doing AIP. So instead of thinking of it as a reset, a detox on AIP off AIP, it's like this is just how you always think about your food and you're going to adjust. Some people will talk about it in terms of sailing on a sailboat. There's times when you can loosen up the lines and let the wind just take you wherever because everything's going really well. And then other times when you need to tighten up, batten down the hatches, tighten up the lines because perhaps there's a lot of other wind and a lot of other stress in your life, and you need to tighten up your diet a little bit. But that's not to say you're doing extremes on and off or resets or detoxes.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (34:04):
What
Jaime Hartman (34:04):
Do you think, Marie-Noelle?
Marie-Noelle Marquis (34:05):
I think that is a beautiful answer. Yes, I absolutely agree. Yeah. And same thing. If I have a client or myself, I'm dealing with a flare up or I'm feeling ill or stress all that, reigning it back, like bringing it back a little bit. That could be a beneficial potentially. Maybe we're all different. Depends, maybe not. Maybe what you need is extra sleep. But again, it's a tool, and I love exactly what you said, Jaime. It is a tool. And then just pull out of your toolbox and it's an equally valuable tool as your sleep, as your movement, as your connection, as de dressing. And then see, okay, whoops, this is happening right now. What can I adjust? And maybe it's the diet part, maybe it's something else. Yeah. And this brings us to the end of our questions for today. So if you have a question that you would like us to answer in the future in our q and a episodes like this, you can send that to us via a direct message on our Instagram feed, or you can use the form linked in the show notes for this episode.
Jaime Hartman (35:21):
We welcome your questions because it helps us reinforce that AIP is a protocol with multiple branches and multiple ways that it can be approached in order to achieve the best result. Listeners remember that this podcast is intended to guide you through this process and to bring you resources so that while you can do AIP on your own, you don't have to do it alone.
Marie-Noelle Marquis (35:45):
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